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DogFather
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| 10/27/2006 11:46 AM |
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| What electric would be good for a noob? My little sister whats to learn to play but I only know acoustic. Any suggestion? |
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b-spot
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| 10/27/2006 6:51 PM |
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how much are you looking to spend first?
i.e. no more than... |
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cloudpaladin
Posts:337
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| 10/27/2006 6:58 PM |
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| depends on what style she wants to play |
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Mr.Suburbia
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| 10/28/2006 3:56 AM |
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| Start out on the good old squires strats. Cheap, good and reliable. |
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cloudpaladin
Posts:337
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| 10/28/2006 6:13 PM |
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i played a jackson rhodes a while back that was pretty badass for $300ish. but thats only a good guitar for a rock player.
i'd say look for a cheap guitar with a locked neck. i like locks because you don't have to tune the guitar anywhere near as much. |
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ChrisF
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| 11/19/2006 3:20 PM |
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Locked necks do not solve tuning probs man, you generally get a locking neck when you buy a guitar with a floyd rose style trem. Trust me on this one, if your just learning DO NOT buy a floyd loaded guitar, the tuning stabillity on them is awfull and is more trouble than it is worth. I ended up blocking up the trem to make it fixed. The new Ibanez S series has a smart rework of the floyd that is very stable, but it ain't no starter toy.
You can't go wrong with an Ibanez RG. They are mostly known as Metal guitars, but they have very versatile pickup configurations. I can do anything from mellow jazz to Black metal on my RGs without any problems at all, they are very well put together and the baisc models are quite cheap to buy. |
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cloudpaladin
Posts:337
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| 11/20/2006 1:27 PM |
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| i must say my floyd does break easy, i got tired of fixing the bar after a while and just took it off, i play zakk wylde style now |
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ChrisF
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| 11/20/2006 3:05 PM |
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| My flod doesnt break...it doesn't even move anymore :P Plays great! |
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Pedge Jameson
Posts:91
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| 02/07/2007 12:46 PM |
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Those cheapy Wal-mart jobs do the trick. (God forbid Wal-Mart but yes.)
There ok for learning but I wouldn't hold any gararge concerts with it.
Think of it when a dad buys his kid their first car. A clunker cause he knows theirs gonna be a few wrecks.
(Correction: Dad's used to buy kids shitty cars to start, now that era is over. That's why we have so many teen fatality's from those tiny box shit cars. OK rant over.)
In all seriousness, get a cheap one from Wal-Mart in the learning area of the store. |
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Eat pork grinds! Eat dead pigs!
Eat pork grinds! Eat dead pigs!
Eat pork grinds! Eat dead pigs! |
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ChrisF
Posts:30
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| 02/07/2007 2:33 PM |
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In one way i agree, as a n00b NEVER be under the impression that a really expensive guitar makes you a guitar god automatically. Cheap or Expensive your still gonna take a while. But the really super cheap ones can also be a bad idea.
I've played my fair share of clunkers in shops, you know the ones they sell as learner starter packs. Mostly they sound crap, the frets are not well seated or finished, the action is usually far from ideal for a learner. All of which makes learning really pretty frustrating.
Here are a few guidelines for a noob.
1. Buy something with a fixed bridge, those learner strats will give you no end of tuning hassle until the springs settle, trust me you'll have shelved it before they do...seen it happen 4 or 5 times.
2. If you've got small fingers, the Epiphone Les Paul Jr./ SG Jr. are really great, In the UK you get them for about £99, if your looking to shred some serious high gain metal, you might want to swap out the stock pickup for something like a seymour duncan custom custom or a nice active EMG if your feeling flush.
3. If you've got some nice big fingers. The entry level Ibanez RGs are def worth a look, the build quality is amazing, and the stock pickups on my 2 regularly take some serious gain from a Line6 POD XT live going straight to 2 Marshall JCM 2000 Dual Super Lead 4x12 Half Stacks and do not scream, his or complain, plus they throw out harmonics and pinch harmonics like you would not believe. Killer tone too, take a beating (if you block out the floyd, which i have). ESP also do a really great entry level range.
4. If your looking to do rock, metal, metalcore...<insert all other brand x faggot core titles> take nothing less than a set of humbucker pickups, the single coils that come on cheapo strats/telecasters just won't do it. They are more for blues, country...shit that needs a bit of twang.
Cheap is good, but add another $50-$100 and go for an entry level well known brand you could well get one that you'll keep for a lot of years. My Epiphone SG is now 10 years old and is still up there biting at the 2 new Ibanez's ankles on a regular basis and it was half the price.
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Pedge Jameson
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| 02/07/2007 2:55 PM |
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Good points,
But you really want a kid toying with any Les Paul Chris?
But of course, if we knew the age of the player it might give us more insight.
And what style of music, this thread is kinda old and we have not a lot of input.
But alot of great guitar convo none the less. |
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Eat pork grinds! Eat dead pigs!
Eat pork grinds! Eat dead pigs!
Eat pork grinds! Eat dead pigs! |
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ChrisF
Posts:30
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| 02/07/2007 3:31 PM |
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Not a full les paul no, that would be madness personified.
The junior les paul is quite the classic shred machine that you see the pro's using
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0006VM2AE.01-AIMZUKBRH6H15._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
$149 with amp and goodies...can't be bad.
It's a really decent learner, the frets are small, the action is low and I've ripped a could of nice metal riffs out of my brothers...hot rodded by me with an orignal 1969 Gibson Les Paul Custom Pickup...had one kicking around for some reason. |
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Pedge Jameson
Posts:91
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| 02/07/2007 3:50 PM |
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But can they use Ernie Ball Super Slinkys???
;)
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Eat pork grinds! Eat dead pigs!
Eat pork grinds! Eat dead pigs!
Eat pork grinds! Eat dead pigs! |
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cloudpaladin
Posts:337
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| 02/12/2007 4:30 PM |
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as far as entry level metal guitars, you can get those epi les paul copies or jackson makes some sick metal guitars
with a floyd and burning pickups for about $400ish. |
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ChrisF
Posts:30
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| 02/13/2007 1:48 PM |
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| Jackson make some nice guitars, however, giving a n00b a floyd loaded guitar to learn on is just plain insanity. The tuning stabillity on them is awfull unless its the the nice new one Ibanez are putting out on their S series Extreme models. |
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b-spot
Posts:26
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| 09/05/2007 4:14 PM |
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i know this is an old thread, but if you can find one of the old behringer "V-tone" kits, there worth the money.
they've changed the design in the past two years though.
at first it was a "strat" style guitar so close to fender's that they were threatened with a lawsuit.
i've had one for around 4 years now that i've taken apart, modded and refinished about 36 times (seriously) and it still holds up as good as day one. (it's actually better now)
i can't speak for the redesigned "v-tone" packs, but i'm guessing the only thing changed is the body shape.
the amp is pretty shitty, but works exactly the way it was designed and also works good for bass.
the reason why i recommend it is because the neck feels exillant, bridge is rather solid, and the pots have never needed cleaning or changing. also they go for about $100-$130.
the only complaints i've ever come close to having were:
-pickups are a little weak and tinny sounding
-pickup selector switch wore out in 4th year
-low E tuning machine's brass gear broke in late 3rd year
-1/4" cable wore out early 2nd year
compared to the wear-to-age ratio, there's no reason for it not to be a great first guitar.
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